This episode focuses on health freedom, exploring its complexities in the context of evolving wellness regulations and political influences. Brett Hawes and I discuss the implications of recent legislation in Canada and the global impact, misinformation, and the necessity of building community resilience.
• Discussion on the essential role of health freedom • Overview of Bill C-293 and its effects on natural health products • Exploration of misinformation in health narratives • Insights from the Geneva health summit and global regulations • Emphasis on localism as a solution to health oversight • Encouragement for individuals to engage with local health issues
Brett is a holistic nutritionist and a certified functional medicine practitioner with over 20 years of clinical experience as a facilitator, an educator, a practitioner, a consultant and a supplement formulator. His podcasting career began with the show called Holistic Health Masterclass, then the Beyond Health podcast and now his new show, which is called Onward. He's worked with the Children's Health Defense Canada, the Natural Health Products Protection Association (NHPPA), the Detox Project and various health freedom networks and organizations.
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00:00:02.403 --> 00:00:08.574 Hi everyone, it's me sandy Cruz of Sandy K Nutrition, health and lifestyle queen.
00:00:08.574 --> 00:00:32.613 For years now, I've been bringing to you conversations about wellness from experts from all over the world, whether it be suggestions and how you can age better, suggestions in how you can age better, biohacking, alternative wellness these are conversations to help you live your best life.
00:00:32.613 --> 00:00:48.182 I want to live a long, healthy and vibrant life, never mind all those stigmas that, as we reach midlife and beyond, we're just going to shrivel up and die with some horrible disease.
00:00:48.182 --> 00:00:53.731 Always remember balanced living works.
00:00:53.731 --> 00:00:56.715 I really look forward to this season.
00:00:56.715 --> 00:01:04.049 Hi everyone, welcome to Sandy K Nutrition, health and Lifestyle Queen.
00:01:04.629 --> 00:01:06.853 Today with me, I have a return guest.
00:01:06.853 --> 00:01:14.174 His name is Brett Hawes and Brett is coming to talk to us all about health freedom.
00:01:14.174 --> 00:01:19.813 He's going to speak to it from a global perspective.
00:01:19.813 --> 00:01:43.989 Most of you who have heard my recordings with Brett I've recorded with him twice prior to this with the NHPPA, an organization that is really doing so much as it relates to keeping our natural health products affordable, accessible, available.
00:01:43.989 --> 00:01:51.546 I will link the two episodes I recorded prior to this one with Brett and with the NHPPA.
00:01:51.546 --> 00:02:03.430 Also in the show notes I will have one of Brett's podcast recordings, and this one was all about bill C-293.
00:02:03.430 --> 00:02:16.141 It's really important that everybody understands what this bill is about because then you'll get a really clear picture of what's really happening with health freedom in Canada and globally.
00:02:16.943 --> 00:02:20.508 A couple of announcements I am starting a new podcast.
00:02:20.508 --> 00:02:23.311 It's called think about it.
00:02:23.311 --> 00:02:34.592 It is going to be a short form podcast, all about wellness topics each week, maybe even a few times a week, I haven't decided.
00:02:34.592 --> 00:02:56.453 I've recorded numerous episodes already, but each episode will have a health topic that I will cover between 6 and 16 minutes and each week I'm going to cover off from my perspective what's real in wellness and just things for you to think about.
00:02:56.453 --> 00:03:05.793 One of the things that my monkey brain does is I research a ton and I am really entrenched in this wellness community.
00:03:05.793 --> 00:03:19.242 Most of you have noticed I've dropped the biohacking term or label off of my brand because I've seen a lot of things that I really don't resonate with.
00:03:19.864 --> 00:03:47.134 So my job is in this podcast is not to be like a whistleblower but more or less to have you think about things from a different perspective, more from the inside perspective, about all these topics and wellness, because let's face facts, things are really crowded in this space of alternative health, functional medicine, alternative wellness, diet, nutrition, all of these things.
00:03:47.134 --> 00:04:02.831 It's become so crowded from, you know, the last eight years, when I started back eight years ago, on this Instagram, in this Instagram world, and I think it's getting very confusing for many people who are not in it.
00:04:02.831 --> 00:04:07.080 They don't realize that a lot of the things are just bought.
00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:12.711 A lot of these experts that you hear are paying to be called experts.
00:04:12.711 --> 00:04:19.690 There's a lot going on, and so my job in this podcast is just to have you think about it.
00:04:19.690 --> 00:04:20.954 Just think about it.
00:04:20.954 --> 00:04:31.367 I'm not telling you how to think and, like I always say, your mind is your mind, your body is your body and we are all bio-individual.
00:04:31.367 --> 00:04:54.920 But often I feel there's a lack of integrity in this world of wellness, and the world is changing where it's not about who gets the most airtime on social media, it's about who resonates with you and who is really showing up authentically with integrity.
00:04:55.360 --> 00:05:03.230 So the only way for now that you're going to get access to this new podcast will be through my Substack.
00:05:03.230 --> 00:05:05.853 Join me there sandykruse.
00:05:05.853 --> 00:05:05.853 substack.
00:05:05.853 --> 00:05:18.535 com, s-a-n-d-y-k-r-u-s-esubstack, s-u-b-s-t-a-c-kcom, and you can also find it in the show notes.
00:05:18.535 --> 00:05:25.290 Also, be sure to follow me on all of my social media channels, sandy K Nutrition, everywhere.
00:05:25.290 --> 00:05:31.386 I am on TikTok for as long as TikTok is around.
00:05:31.386 --> 00:05:33.574 Listen, I'm Canadian, so I'm going to have access.
00:05:33.574 --> 00:05:37.163 I guess it's the Americans that are maybe SOL.
00:05:37.163 --> 00:05:42.771 We'll see what happens with that and you can follow me on Instagram.
00:05:42.771 --> 00:05:45.334 I'm most active on Instagram.
00:05:45.334 --> 00:05:54.656 I'm pretty active on Substack, so go meet me there, and I do post most of my raw videos on Rumble.
00:05:55.177 --> 00:06:11.345 Youtube is really kind of pissing me off these days, telling me I'm not allowed to use words like NMN, and they actually sent me an email saying something about my feng shui episode was banned.
00:06:11.345 --> 00:06:14.853 Listen, I'm getting tired of the censorship.
00:06:14.853 --> 00:06:27.557 This is really kind of a weird world that we live in, where some are saying, yes, censorship must happen, and then there's others who are like you know what?
00:06:27.557 --> 00:06:28.480 We don't want censorship.
00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:32.466 And I'm kind of somewhere in between, and I'll explain why.
00:06:34.781 --> 00:06:52.170 I think that the governing bodies on both ends of these spectrums of the wellness world and there's some issues there with integrity, as well as on the other side with Western medicine and big pharma it's like one of the things that Brett talks about in this episode.
00:06:52.170 --> 00:06:53.132 I resonate with it.
00:06:53.132 --> 00:07:02.348 So much is instead of fighting and trying to break down the other sides.
00:07:02.348 --> 00:07:13.925 Why not create just a new leg of wellness where there's passion over profit, where there is integrity and authenticity?
00:07:13.925 --> 00:07:16.511 I'm on that side, my friends.
00:07:16.511 --> 00:07:23.290 I'm on that side, and I'm not saying that Western medicine doesn't do good.
00:07:23.290 --> 00:07:34.843 I'm not saying that the alternative health side doesn't do good, but I think when we build something from new, we can build it from scratch and we can build it better.
00:07:35.244 --> 00:07:36.586 Anyway, just a few thoughts.
00:07:36.586 --> 00:07:46.331 Be sure to follow and share this podcast, share it with anyone else who you feel might resonate with this.
00:07:46.331 --> 00:07:51.646 Be sure to follow Brett and the NHPPA linked in my show notes.
00:07:51.646 --> 00:08:01.129 And, just most important thing, guys, please share this episode and give it a rate and review wherever you are listening.
00:08:01.129 --> 00:08:04.925 Thanks so much, and here's the interview with Brett Hawes.
00:08:04.925 --> 00:08:10.209 Hi everyone, welcome to Sandy Kay Nutrition, health and Lifestyle Queen.
00:08:10.831 --> 00:08:18.841 Today with me I have Brett Hawes and he is my special guest, and I have recorded with Brett a couple of other times.
00:08:18.841 --> 00:08:23.411 I'm really excited for this recording because it's just Brett Hawes alone.
00:08:23.411 --> 00:08:26.060 We're going to talk about a lot of great things.
00:08:26.060 --> 00:08:36.373 I'm sure that people are going to be interested in this recording and the best way to describe what Brett does is that he is passionate about both health and activism.
00:08:37.259 --> 00:08:55.354 Brett is a holistic nutritionist and a certified functional medicine practitioner with over 20 years of clinical experience at a capacity as a facilitator, an educator, a practitioner, a consultant and a supplement formulator.
00:08:55.354 --> 00:09:08.134 His podcasting career began with the show called Holistic Health Masterclass, then the Beyond Health podcast and now his new show, which is called Onward.
00:09:08.134 --> 00:09:17.667 Brett dives deep into the realities of our world, including the narratives that we are fed from a health and political perspective.
00:09:17.667 --> 00:09:35.394 He's worked with the Children's Health Defense Canada, the Natural Health Products Protection Association andPPA, who I've recorded with twice as well with Brett, the Detox Project and various health freedom networks and organizations.
00:09:35.394 --> 00:09:52.291 And today Brett and I are going to be discussing the reality of health freedom, not just in Canada, but what is happening throughout the world, and I honestly cannot think of a better person to have this discussion with today.
00:09:52.291 --> 00:09:54.822 Brett and I are both Canadians I think you're.
00:09:54.822 --> 00:09:56.667 Is it South African?
00:09:57.269 --> 00:09:58.331 South African Canadian.
00:09:58.331 --> 00:09:58.993 Yeah, that's right.
00:09:59.340 --> 00:09:59.660 South African.
00:09:59.660 --> 00:10:00.282 See, I remembered.
00:10:00.282 --> 00:10:10.951 But this is really an important topic and I'm very, very happy to be connected with you, brad, and I'm so glad to have you here today, so welcome.
00:10:12.100 --> 00:10:12.942 Thanks so much, sandy.
00:10:12.942 --> 00:10:21.009 It's great to be here and, yeah, we certainly find ourselves in some interesting times these days and no shortage of things to discuss.
00:10:21.009 --> 00:10:33.087 So I'm going to let you, as the host I'm on the other side of the mic today, which is nice for a change and I'm going to let you decide where you want to start and we'll kind of go from there, and I'm cool with talking about anything you want.
00:10:33.568 --> 00:10:34.431 Well, I like that.
00:10:34.431 --> 00:10:46.212 I like that because I am too, but I think most of the people who are listening first want to understand your background and how you got into really more the health activism side of things.
00:10:46.539 --> 00:10:58.070 Yeah, yeah Well, I mean, you know, my sort of foray into the health side of things first of all was actually through spiritual, like the spiritual side of things.
00:10:58.070 --> 00:11:00.344 So it was a little bit different for me.
00:11:00.344 --> 00:11:04.664 I didn't have like these crazy health issues and then healed myself and now I want to help other people.
00:11:04.664 --> 00:11:05.246 That's not my story at all.
00:11:05.246 --> 00:11:07.735 So for me I didn't have like these crazy health issues and then healed myself and now I want to help other people.
00:11:07.735 --> 00:11:08.437 That that's not my story at all.
00:11:08.437 --> 00:11:14.552 So for me it was really a calling as a young, as a young man, to help others and sort of the vehicle presented itself right.
00:11:14.552 --> 00:11:22.942 But shortly after I got into all of that I had always known because of the spiritual side of things and growing up the way I did.
00:11:22.942 --> 00:11:24.284 I mean I grew up in apartheid.
00:11:24.284 --> 00:11:34.485 I watched the rise and fall of apartheid in high school and so I kind of grew up with this whole idea that something's not right.
00:11:34.485 --> 00:11:38.433 We inherently didn't really trust the government growing up still to this day.
00:11:38.433 --> 00:11:42.086 So I was kind of like born up, raised in that sort of culture.
00:11:42.086 --> 00:11:55.952 And then, once I started traveling around and spent enough time with more of an eclectic kind of crowd and international crowd, I started learning that, hey, a lot of the stuff that we're being told is just not actually true.
00:11:55.952 --> 00:12:02.894 Whether it's being purposely manipulated, whether it's a lie, whatever it is right.
00:12:02.894 --> 00:12:06.750 And so I kind of you know, that's the backstory there.
00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:13.854 But then, in terms of actually getting into the real activist side of things, it was in 2007.
00:12:13.854 --> 00:12:32.312 I was living and working pretty intensely with the First Nations group just off the Six Nations Reserve, which is outside of Hamilton, ontario, and so while I was doing that work, I mean it was a very, very crazy time spiritually for me anyway.
00:12:32.312 --> 00:12:39.989 And I read Sean Buckley's paper for the NHPPA, and this was at the time was Bill C-51.
00:12:39.989 --> 00:12:46.280 And this was the first sort of attack on natural health products that I had been sort of confronted with.
00:12:46.280 --> 00:12:54.125 Um, I know it had happened before in the late 90s and all these sorts of things, but anyway, I was lying in bed and I had this waking vision.
00:12:54.125 --> 00:13:03.086 You know, I sort of like sat up in bed and I opened my eyes and there was all these people in front of me, and then I closed my eyes and those people were still there, and so that sort of prompted me.
00:13:03.086 --> 00:13:16.451 I was, I got to get a whole bunch of people out, like we have to protest this, and together with a group of colleagues and friends, you know that all came together real quick and we got just over a thousand people out to Queen's Park in about four or five days.
00:13:16.451 --> 00:13:20.484 And so you know, that sort of thrust me into a whole different sphere.
00:13:20.484 --> 00:13:23.388 You know, to be honest with you, like I didn't know what was going to happen.
00:13:23.388 --> 00:13:39.880 But suddenly I found myself chairing a coalition at the time called the Canadian Natural Health Coalition, and suddenly got connected with a lot of old school health freedom fighters, supplement companies, lawyers like me, you name it, you know, and then that's sort of it from there.
00:13:39.880 --> 00:13:40.120 You know.
00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:45.352 So I've always I've always been outspoken about that in all of the classes that I've ever taught.
00:13:46.160 --> 00:13:51.513 Some people sort of raise an eyebrow and they're like well, why do you rail on the medical establishment so much?
00:13:51.513 --> 00:13:54.368 Why do you bring politics into health?
00:13:54.368 --> 00:14:04.542 And it's like you know, at the end of the day, if you don't realize that politics and health are so intricately connected, like you have a lot of learning to do, because just take a look at where we're at right now.
00:14:04.542 --> 00:14:12.708 Like you have a lot of learning to do, because just take a look at where we're at right now, you know I mean the drug companies and the foothold that they have on people, but also on the global economy.
00:14:12.708 --> 00:14:17.753 You know this is part of what has got us into the position that we're in today, you know.
00:14:17.753 --> 00:14:21.856 So yeah, and sort of from there like hey, it's been a wild ride.
00:14:24.341 --> 00:14:31.844 Let's just say that, yeah, even though obviously I don't have my finger on the pulse, is that the saying?
00:14:31.844 --> 00:14:36.032 As much as you do, sure, I am.
00:14:36.032 --> 00:15:02.268 One of the things that's one of my expertise is supplements and therapeutic usage of supplements, and so it's impossible for me to not notice that these supplements that I've always recommended are being bought by massive companies that do not promote wellness.
00:15:02.268 --> 00:15:13.532 Breath, and it kind of freaks me out because I'm like, okay, well, but then I'm being told that oh, don't worry, they're still the same supplements.
00:15:13.532 --> 00:15:16.423 I'm thinking, how, how is that?
00:15:16.423 --> 00:15:29.346 How is a company that promotes really unhealthy food going to keep the same standard of supplements that were individually owned by small companies?
00:15:30.249 --> 00:15:35.210 Yeah, well, you know, take a look at what happened with all of the mom and pop organic food companies, right?
00:15:35.210 --> 00:15:36.493 I mean, it's the same thing.
00:15:36.493 --> 00:15:43.288 This has been going on for decades now at this point, and so I think that you know.
00:15:43.288 --> 00:15:47.121 If you just take a look at what's happening nowadays, I think what?
00:15:47.121 --> 00:15:56.909 As someone who's been in the wellness space for as long as I have right, I can tell you that there's been an astronomical change.
00:15:56.909 --> 00:15:57.351 Like it's.
00:15:57.351 --> 00:15:59.200 It's like night and day from when I started.
00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:05.833 You know, my first graduating class was 14 people and now there's graduates being pumped out hundreds, right?
00:16:05.833 --> 00:16:14.114 And what that shows me is that what's been going on over the last few years is really a paradigm shift in the healthcare field.
00:16:14.114 --> 00:16:15.600 Right, and just call it health, right?
00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:19.062 Forget about health and wellness or allopathic medicine or whatever.
00:16:19.903 --> 00:16:29.893 Generally speaking, the reason why what we do has become so popular is because people have started to realize that hang on a second.
00:16:29.893 --> 00:16:33.956 Like I keep going back to the doctor and they just keep prescribing me pills.
00:16:33.956 --> 00:16:37.850 They don't sit down and actually want to understand what's going on with me.
00:16:37.850 --> 00:16:41.109 I go bounce around from specialist to specialist.
00:16:41.109 --> 00:16:42.446 They don't talk to one another.
00:16:42.446 --> 00:16:48.289 You know, we're starting to see that people are waking up to the idea of compartmentalized medicine.
00:16:48.289 --> 00:16:56.192 So the rheumatologist is laser-focused on rheumatology, the immunologist is focused on that, the endocrinologist and so on and so forth.
00:16:56.192 --> 00:17:16.227 And so when you compartmentalize healthcare like that, what you have is you have a very reductionist, um, left brain kind of mechanistic type of system, and people are realizing that for the ailments and diseases that people are suffering from nowadays, um, that model is not really working for them.
00:17:16.227 --> 00:17:28.674 And so you know, I don't know about you, but I'll just say from my own experience, you know I I dealt with in my practice at a very high level, you know, I mean I help people with very chronic, very complex conditions.
00:17:28.674 --> 00:17:31.188 They were often abandoned by the medical system.
00:17:31.188 --> 00:17:54.352 They could get no results whatsoever through the allopathic system, more holistic perspective, which we're starting to see how everything is connected, um, suddenly, when you go down that road, you know running lab tests not to diagnose disease but to assess metabolic function and then restore and correct that function.
00:17:54.794 --> 00:17:57.423 You know, this is why functional medicine has become so popular.
00:17:57.423 --> 00:18:07.093 You know, and in the us now, um, I would actually argue that that that is becoming very quickly, uh, more of the default sort of front-end system of care.
00:18:07.093 --> 00:18:13.545 I don't want to sort of say that from a holistic perspective, but certainly you know, if people can choose their providers.
00:18:13.545 --> 00:18:19.243 A lot of people in the US are looking for doctors who are functional medicine doctors, now you know.
00:18:19.243 --> 00:18:26.171 So I think all that to say like that's where we're at right now and that doesn't come without consequences.
00:18:26.171 --> 00:18:33.646 And the consequences are that the drug companies know right, the medical system knows that there's more.
00:18:33.646 --> 00:18:40.832 They're losing customers let's just put it that way in plain English and as they lose customers they want to hold on to that monopoly that they have.
00:18:40.832 --> 00:18:42.787 So there's only two ways you do that.
00:18:42.787 --> 00:18:53.685 You know you out-market people with a massive budget and you promote the heck out of your products, and or you buy up the competition and you monopolize everything.
00:18:54.228 --> 00:19:00.614 You know how they always say whenever somebody is a threat, you try and push them down right.
00:19:00.614 --> 00:19:09.366 So then you start to alter the narratives Like you're not allowed to say that this can diagnose, cure, heal disease.
00:19:09.366 --> 00:19:10.749 You're not allowed to say this.
00:19:10.749 --> 00:19:12.371 You will get fined this.
00:19:12.371 --> 00:19:30.146 There are many ways that natural health is really being pushed down, brett to your point, when I was working with clients.
00:19:30.146 --> 00:19:32.594 I'll never forget this one situation.
00:19:32.594 --> 00:19:42.471 The client was a vegetarian and when this client went to her doctor.
00:19:42.613 --> 00:19:43.838 The doctor she was extremely malnutritioned.
00:19:43.838 --> 00:19:46.901 She wasn't.
00:19:46.901 --> 00:19:50.313 As you know, if you eat a vegetarian diet, you have to be very careful to ensure that you're getting all the nutrients you need.
00:19:50.313 --> 00:19:52.641 After many, many years that can present in different issues.
00:19:52.641 --> 00:19:57.328 So this client was going through other issues, other problems.
00:19:57.328 --> 00:20:09.688 She was given an antidepressant because she told her doctor that she was ready to just kind of drive through a red light Like this is how okay.
00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:12.965 So of course she did that.
00:20:12.965 --> 00:20:17.685 But then she's like, okay, well, maybe I need to work on my nutrition, maybe I need to figure that out.
00:20:17.685 --> 00:20:28.786 So when I worked with her and of course I'm not making any medical claims here she did whatever she did with her doctor, I don't care, I had, no, no part of that.
00:20:28.786 --> 00:20:33.563 But then I was like, okay, well, let's assess what's really going on here.
00:20:33.563 --> 00:20:45.894 And then when we assessed it, it's like, oh my god, like you are so low in just these vital nutrients, she started taking methylated b, she started taking a little bit more B12.
00:20:46.380 --> 00:21:02.964 She started to take high quality nutraceuticals, and then she herself was like I don't need these antidepressants, and she now knows how to really support her wellness as a vegetarian, her wellness as a vegetarian.
00:21:02.964 --> 00:21:05.547 But that's to your point.
00:21:05.547 --> 00:21:21.576 I think more and more people are saying, hey, if I look to food as medicine and if I take the right nutraceuticals to support my lifestyle, my stage in life, maybe my genetics, then I can really age better.
00:21:21.576 --> 00:21:34.006 So I know that's an extreme case, but there are many and I get a lot of these messages from people who are like oh my God, I did this.
00:21:34.006 --> 00:21:37.134 And then it empowers them too, which I think is amazing, brett.
00:21:38.340 --> 00:21:39.727 Well, I think that's just it right.
00:21:39.727 --> 00:21:45.232 So you know the Latin origins for doctor is teacher, you know what I mean.
00:21:45.232 --> 00:21:48.810 So the teacher must teach the person.
00:21:48.810 --> 00:21:55.973 Like, what we have now is we have a system where people are fully dependent on their provider, who's not really offering much at all.
00:21:55.973 --> 00:22:13.925 You know, I've softened up a lot over the years, like I used to be very, very hardcore about like no drugs, drugs, no anything, you know, like like just 100 holistic, and I've kind of, like you know, smartened up a little bit as I've gotten older, because, you know, working with very, very sick people, sometimes you need drugs.
00:22:13.925 --> 00:22:17.342 Um, if you get hit by a bus, you know, don't come and see me.
00:22:17.342 --> 00:22:18.846 If you break a leg, don't come and see me.
00:22:19.347 --> 00:22:28.321 So I think that what we've, we've, um, we we've sort of lost, if you will, is that western medicine was born out of infectious disease.
00:22:28.321 --> 00:22:36.188 You know that that's where it came from was people were dying of infections, people were dying of broken limbs, people were dying in labor, you know stuff like that.
00:22:36.188 --> 00:22:40.486 And so, um, that's where western medicine shines.
00:22:40.486 --> 00:22:45.903 You know, in fact, like, even in more acute emergency type of situations, western medicine is fantastic, you know.
00:22:45.903 --> 00:22:48.409 So we can't throw the baby out with the bath water.
00:22:48.409 --> 00:22:58.887 But now what we have is we have a population that has been weakened, that has been made sick by the food that they eat, that has been poisoned with a variety of different toxins.
00:22:58.887 --> 00:23:06.049 We're living high stress lives, we are being exposed to too much artificial light, um screens, you know.
00:23:06.049 --> 00:23:07.461 The list goes on and on and on right.
00:23:07.461 --> 00:23:12.121 And so Western medicine, unfortunately, is not equipped to properly deal with that.
00:23:12.121 --> 00:23:20.707 You know, because if you understand from a basic level what drugs do, is drugs suppress and they cut off metabolic pathways.
00:23:20.707 --> 00:23:21.749 Right, that's really it.
00:23:22.309 --> 00:23:28.431 So it's like the analogy I've used for years in my classes is can you imagine if I'm driving down the road and the gas light comes on right?
00:23:28.431 --> 00:23:30.542 Well, I have a few different options.
00:23:30.542 --> 00:23:35.682 I can, you know, call a friend and be like hey, I'm stuck on the highway, can you come and help me?
00:23:35.682 --> 00:23:36.826 I can.
00:23:36.826 --> 00:23:46.742 Hopefully, if I have a jerry can of gas in the back, I can maybe top myself up and off.
00:23:46.742 --> 00:23:46.843 I go.
00:23:46.843 --> 00:23:47.184 I can maybe go.
00:23:47.184 --> 00:23:48.951 Well, you know, the light's on and it's maybe 30 clicks to the next gas station.
00:23:48.951 --> 00:23:49.836 I'm gonna wing it and hopefully I make it.
00:23:49.836 --> 00:23:52.564 But there's another option you can cut the light, okay.
00:23:52.564 --> 00:23:59.865 So if I cut the light, what that does is it tells me, it creates the illusion that I have gas in the tank meanwhile I'm running out.
00:24:00.647 --> 00:24:02.230 And that's what drugs do, right?
00:24:02.230 --> 00:24:20.444 Drugs create the illusion of health because in the western model, if, if you do not have symptoms, you are deemed to be healthy, and so you know, you can suppress and mask symptoms all day long and create the illusion of health, but in reality you're still breaking down and you're still degrading, and there you go.
00:24:20.444 --> 00:24:29.980 And so this is where Western medicine really falls short and this is where, on the contrary, this is where the kind of work that we do and have done really shines.
00:24:29.980 --> 00:24:43.587 You know, like Bernard Jensen, I mean almost 100 years ago, one of the most pioneering nutritionists, you know 350,000 patients in his day wrote 70 books, and he coined the phrase, he said it best.
00:24:43.587 --> 00:24:49.883 He said every single disease can be traced back to some type of nutrient deficiency and I don't know.
00:24:49.883 --> 00:24:56.832 You know, like Bernie was a smart guy, so I tend to take that with you know, some seriousness.
00:24:58.441 --> 00:25:01.369 Oh well, obviously I align with that.
00:25:01.369 --> 00:25:09.349 I think you can trace it back to a nutrient deficiency and then you can look at what's the causative factor.
00:25:09.349 --> 00:25:10.392 Is it lifestyle?
00:25:10.392 --> 00:25:11.953 Is it genetics?
00:25:11.953 --> 00:25:14.076 Is it right, Exactly?
00:25:19.489 --> 00:25:23.777 Yeah, very distorted from the way that people have lived prior to that.
00:25:23.777 --> 00:25:31.093 You know, like prior to 100 years ago even 100 years ago for that matter people were living a lot more naturally, by default.
00:25:31.093 --> 00:25:40.749 You know what I mean Like through this process of industrialization, food preservation, you know all these types of things and I'm not saying they're all bad necessarily.
00:25:40.749 --> 00:25:52.582 You know we've had to figure things out as we've gone along, but I think that we are living very artificially these days and and quite removed from nature and it's starting to show in the health of of people.
00:25:52.582 --> 00:26:02.311 You know, I'm sure, like we might have extended life expectancy, but I would, I would argue, what is the quality of that life in your, in the second half of your life?
00:26:02.311 --> 00:26:08.929 I mean, how many people have multiple diagnosed diseases on multiple prescription medications and so on and so forth?
00:26:08.929 --> 00:26:10.112 We have an obesity problem.
00:26:12.262 --> 00:26:14.006 The list goes on and on.
00:26:14.207 --> 00:26:14.948 Yeah, you get it.
00:26:15.970 --> 00:26:16.490 I get it.
00:26:16.490 --> 00:26:21.503 I get it because I have been on my grandparents' farm.
00:26:21.503 --> 00:26:24.468 They lived off the land.
00:26:24.468 --> 00:26:26.852 I mean they did.
00:26:27.352 --> 00:26:37.647 And I've had these conversations, brett, even with hormone doctors, because a lot of people will say well, why didn't my grandparents need bioidentical hormones?
00:26:37.647 --> 00:26:44.545 Well, probably because there weren't so many endocrine disruptors in the world.
00:26:44.545 --> 00:26:51.675 They were eating off the land, they were living according to their circadian rhythms, which is really important for healthy hormones.
00:26:51.675 --> 00:26:53.949 So my grandmother was 82.
00:26:53.949 --> 00:27:05.432 She died because of an accident, not because of dementia, not because of arthritis, not because of an autoimmune disease, not because of cancer, not because of anything.
00:27:05.432 --> 00:27:15.752 So you know, we can't really go backwards and there are some things that have been really incredible and advances.
00:27:16.554 --> 00:27:16.855 Totally.
00:27:17.421 --> 00:27:25.597 How can we create a balanced life and almost get the best of both worlds?
00:27:26.539 --> 00:27:29.169 Yeah, well, I think that's what a lot of people are trying to do, right.
00:27:29.169 --> 00:27:36.084 So I mean, you know, like it's not like I'm living in, you know spear and loincloth out in the woods either, you know.
00:27:36.084 --> 00:27:40.228 So none of us are immune in that sense, and I think that there is a happy medium.
00:27:40.228 --> 00:28:01.046 I think we do the best with what we can, and that's partly why, you know, this space that we're in has become so popular.
00:28:01.046 --> 00:28:06.731 Yeah, so I think I'm going to leave it there, because there's a of the stuff there that's just so like off the rails.
00:28:06.731 --> 00:28:08.954 It's so extreme that you know.
00:28:08.954 --> 00:28:21.984 There is this other side to the health and wellness space, where I think people are terrified of aging and I think people don't want to get old, and, uh, you know, I think part of that is pushed on us through social media, through hollywood, through these types of things.
00:28:21.984 --> 00:28:28.305 So so you know, anyway, I'll leave that there, because that's maybe a podcast in and of itself.
00:28:28.505 --> 00:28:29.267 Yeah, yeah.
00:28:29.267 --> 00:29:00.468 The whole point is really is that we need to kind of marry all facets of wellness in order to be well in this modern day life and when one of these very crucial, important aspects not one multiple, because I think there's many subcategories of natural health products when that's being pushed out, we had a problem.
00:29:01.410 --> 00:29:05.105 Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know.
00:29:05.105 --> 00:29:06.933 So, like, like here's the thing, right.
00:29:06.933 --> 00:29:14.221 So we're at this point now where the government keeps crying about like the health care systems broke and we've got these crazy wait times.
00:29:14.221 --> 00:29:17.449 Um, right now, like in canada what was that number?
00:29:17.449 --> 00:29:26.861 I just read it, the other, I think it's there's like 5.4 million canadians without a family doctor right now, like out of a country of 40 million people.
00:29:26.861 --> 00:29:29.627 Like that's a pretty high percentage, right?
00:29:29.627 --> 00:29:35.603 You know wait times, difficulty getting tests, all right.
00:29:35.603 --> 00:29:38.612 So if you want to go get a test from your doctor now, it's really, really difficult.
00:29:38.740 --> 00:29:53.249 So you know all of this tax money that's going into the healthcare system and then what they're doing is they're tightening the belt, they're trimming the fat, they're doing all these types of things to try and squeeze the profit out of that with you know, and then deliver like subpar service.
00:29:54.010 --> 00:30:03.147 And so you know, the irony of all of that is the one thing that so many Canadians are doing to keep themselves out of the medical system.
